<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Understanding Robots]]></title><description><![CDATA[Exploring how robotics works and how it's changing our world.]]></description><link>https://www.understandingrobots.org</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VPZP!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F53c5320f-39d8-49f9-bbe8-1e7014a78de6_1280x1280.png</url><title>Understanding Robots</title><link>https://www.understandingrobots.org</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2026 06:23:34 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.understandingrobots.org/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Kai Williams]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[understandingrobots@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[understandingrobots@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Kai Williams]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Kai Williams]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[understandingrobots@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[understandingrobots@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Kai Williams]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[OpenAI’s Astra model is shockingly good at robotics]]></title><description><![CDATA[Will general-purpose LLMs control future robots?]]></description><link>https://www.understandingrobots.org/p/openais-astra-model-is-shockingly</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.understandingrobots.org/p/openais-astra-model-is-shockingly</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Williams]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2026 18:16:25 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On September 3, OpenAI <a href="https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/">released</a> the first GPT-6 model: Astra. As usual, the company described its new release as the &#8220;world&#8217;s most intelligent and aligned model.&#8221; But OpenAI didn&#8217;t just list the customary coding and agentic benchmarks. It also <a href="https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2095595741528125780">claimed</a> that Astra was significantly better than previous LLMs at controlling computers. &#8220;Anything you can do on a computer, Astra can do for you. Fast.&#8221;</p><p>OpenAI released videos of Astra fluently completing varied computer tasks, from formatting legal documents in a word processor to navigating the Texas DMV&#8217;s website. Of these demos, one category stood out: 3D modeling. OpenAI showed models that Astra had made of a house, a circuit board, a video game world, and a car transmission.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png" width="1456" height="1165" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1165,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mLI-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4af25769-a469-4186-aad0-319197a20f1b_2048x1639.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">A model of a car&#8217;s transmission made by GPT-6 Astra in FreeCAD. (Image from OpenAI&#8217;s announcement)</figcaption></figure></div><p>This jump in spatial reasoning prompted a question: might Astra be good at robotics? The answer was a resounding yes. In a viral Twitter <a href="https://x.com/cdngdev/status/2097339677128982873">post</a> the following week, OpenAI robotics employee Thijs Simonian set up Astra with a cheap robot arm and a set of paintbrushes and asked it to paint the Golden Gate Bridge from a reference image. After five iterations, the results were astonishingly good.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png" width="1456" height="798" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:798,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z69u!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdf8a5c1-ef8d-4b78-9503-0960eaec2c15_2048x1122.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Astra&#8217;s five attempts to paint the Golden Gate Bridge. (Screenshot from Simonian&#8217;s <a href="https://x.com/cdngdev/status/2097339678206861789">tweet</a>)</figcaption></figure></div><p>Simonian wasn&#8217;t the only person to notice this skill. Since Astra&#8217;s release, the Internet has reverberated with <a href="https://github.com/zjwzcx/Awesome-Astra-Embodied-AI">demos</a> of the model completing various robotics tasks: Astra <a href="https://openai.robocurve.org/gpt-6-astra/">picking and placing</a> robot blocks, Astra <a href="https://www.rednote.com/discovery/item/6aa0c4900000000012034a2f?xsec_token=ABYB6HItIwwYq0Yyi9-hwoM-vMalkFRmYMAkN0iUWpTM4=&amp;xsec_source=pc_search&amp;source=web_profile_page">slicing</a> cucumbers, Astra <a href="https://x.com/ZeYanjie/status/2098118164626501669">solving</a> a Rubik&#8217;s Cube in simulation, even Astra <a href="https://drivingbench.com/">driving a car</a> in a parking lot.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Astra is so good at controlling robots, in fact, that it was briefly the <a href="https://robodojo-benchmark.com/report/gpt-6-astra-eval">top-rated robot-control model on the RoboDojo Benchmark</a>, ahead of specialized robotics models like &#960;<sub>0.5</sub> from <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/how-google-taught-llms-to-control">Physical Intelligence</a> and MolmoAct2 from the Allen Institute for AI.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> Unlike previous general LLMs, Astra seems good at controlling robots directly, specifying the exact positions that the gripper needs to navigate to complete a task, rather than just giving high-level instructions that must be carried out by a lower-level robotics model.</p><p>Astra&#8217;s capabilities have big caveats at the moment. For instance, it has to pause for seconds at a time to think about its next movement &#8212; far too slow to complete most robotics tasks. But Astra&#8217;s recent performance has been jarring to roboticists. &#8220;Currently it&#8217;s not very useful,&#8221; said Yale PhD student Haoxiang You. But the capabilities of the new OpenAI model have &#8220;kind of shocked people,&#8221; he said.</p><p>Some researchers think that OpenAI&#8217;s and Anthropic&#8217;s models might become good enough to completely supplant <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/how-google-taught-llms-to-control">specialized robotics models</a>. &#8220;I feel it&#8217;s totally possible to have one large model that does both very good reasoning and a very good action output,&#8221; ETH Zurich PhD student Chong Zhang told me.</p><p>Others are more skeptical. Astra will not &#8220;just take over everything&#8221; in robotics, Princeton PhD student Zeyu Shen said in an interview. Astra is too slow and it&#8217;s not reactive enough to sudden changes in the environment. Astra is also far too large to run on board a robot, so robots would probably still need a small local model in case the internet connection goes down.</p><p>Whether or not Astra-type models eventually control robots directly, they are useful for robotics development today. I expect roboticists to use Astra to generate new simulation environments and training data. All this might significantly accelerate robotics progress.</p><h1>How many LLMs does it take to control a robot?</h1><p>Using LLMs to control robots is not a new idea. In fact, it&#8217;s older than ChatGPT.</p><p>In April 2022, researchers at Google released a system called <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.01691">SayCan</a> that explored how LLMs could be applied to robotics. The researchers realized that LLMs could break complex robotics tasks into a list of small steps. For instance, an LLM could identify that in order to clean a spill a robot would first need to &#8220;obtain a rag&#8221; and &#8220;navigate to the spill.&#8221; The LLM&#8217;s broad knowledge of the world would help it make better decisions; for instance, it would know that a placemat would not work well as a rag.</p><p>However, there was no way at the time for LLMs to directly control the robot. Some other piece of software would need to turn the subtask &#8220;pick up a rag&#8221; into a series of robot movements that actually pick up a rag.</p><p>It turned out that this lower-level challenge of generating movement trajectories, sometimes called the dexterity problem, was the bigger bottleneck to solving many tasks in the real world. While LLMs seemed useful as a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow">&#8220;system two&#8221;</a> planner, it wasn&#8217;t clear whether they could become a good &#8220;system one&#8221; that can dexterously control a robot.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>The next year, Google researchers found an approach to do just that. The researchers took an existing LLM with vision capabilities and trained it further on 130,000 robot demonstrations to make what they called a vision-language-action (VLA) model. That is, they trained the system to take in a text prompt and an image from the robot&#8217;s cameras and output a sequence of numbers: the position and rotation of the gripper at the end of the robot&#8217;s arm. (See Tim Lee&#8217;s <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/how-google-taught-llms-to-control">VLA explainer</a> at Understanding AI for more info.)</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png" width="1456" height="938" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/adcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:938,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!weEa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadcd4292-f8ce-4065-bb1a-bdac5e1fc92c_2048x1320.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"> A robot controlled by Google&#8217;s VLA RT-2 grabbing a banana and moving it to the number 3. (Screenshot from <a href="https://robotics-transformer2.github.io/">RT-2 project page</a>)</figcaption></figure></div><p>The first VLA, RT-2, had several versions trained from LLMs of different sizes, ranging from five to 55 billion parameters. The largest version, which was the most capable, had to be run on four AI chips located outside of the robot. RT-2 displayed all sorts of emergent capabilities and generalized fairly well. But the largest version could only output a single command one to three times a second, far too slow many demanding manipulation tasks.</p><p>Later VLA releases have been smaller and faster. Physical Intelligence&#8217;s first VLA, <a href="https://www.pi.website/blog/pi0">&#960;<sub>0</sub></a>, takes 73 milliseconds to output a one-second chunk of actions &#8212; and only has 3.3 billion parameters. The largest VLAs widely in use today only have about 15 billion parameters, far fewer than the estimated trillions of parameters of a model like GPT-6 Astra.</p><p>As a result, the small LLMs that form the backbone of VLAs do not have the general robustness and adaptability of frontier LLMs like GPT-6 Astra.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> Because they are trained on copious real-world data, VLAs can create plausible action trajectories. But they can&#8217;t necessarily plan over long time horizons or generalize to new settings.</p><p>This is fine for many of the current tasks that robots do &#8212; moving totes or folding packages does not require sophisticated planning. But to create general-purpose robots, you need a model that can handle chaotic open-world scenarios.</p><h1>Robotics companies are trying to make their models generalize</h1><p>So far I&#8217;ve been discussing the possibility that a general-purpose model could become good enough at low-level actions to supplant specialized robot models. Another possibility is that today&#8217;s special-purpose robotics models will become more generalized over time. That&#8217;s the vision of startups like Generalist and Skild, both of which demonstrated models in August that could complete a task from a single human demonstration, a skill called in-context learning.</p><p>Both models also displayed some amount of physical intuition. For instance, when Generalist&#8217;s GEN-1.5 model was tasked to place a block in a bowl that was covered with a piece of paper, GEN-1.5 removed the piece of paper without being directly asked to.</p><p>This progress was exciting; Generalist&#8217;s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cllCVK-9lo">announcement video</a> showed clips of employees freaking out when the model displayed some new generalization capability.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NHa4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9faf86c2-ce4f-4293-b59d-ee4a2ab80b73_1267x714.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Generalist employees freak out when GEN-1.5 successfully places a block in a bowl. The model had been fine-tuned to use a brush to put the block in the bowl. When only given a dustpan, GEN-1.5 improvised; it pushed the block into the dustpan and then emptied the dustpan into the bowl. (Screenshot from Generalist&#8217;s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cllCVK-9lo">announcement video</a>)</figcaption></figure></div><p>To Generalist&#8217;s CEO Pete Florence, the result vindicated the company&#8217;s approach of combining LLM training with large amounts of physical data.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> He told me that for the past couple of years, &#8220;there&#8217;s been this feeling like, ah man, is all of the generalization just coming from the language model-y stuff and we&#8217;re just bolting on this very thin layer?&#8221; But the results from GEN-1.5 were &#8220;washing away&#8221; this concern. &#8220;It feels like we are indeed now getting real, very hard to ignore levels of generalization&#8221; from the physical data, he said.</p><p>Meanwhile, Anthropic has been investigating how good its flagship models were at controlling models.</p><p>In July, the company <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/research/claude-plays-robotics">found</a> that Claude was pretty good at writing Python scripts to control the robots. For instance, Claude was able to program a quadruped to walk slowly through a maze.</p><p>But Claude and its general-purpose rivals were not yet good at directly controlling robots. On Anthropic&#8217;s tests with <a href="https://libero-project.github.io/main.html">LIBERO</a>, a well-known benchmark of manipulation tasks using a robot arm, the best performing general LLM was <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/why-anthropic-believes-its-latest">Claude Mythos Preview</a>, which succeeded 5.5% of the time. Compare that to MolmoAct, a specialized VLA that scored 86%. General-purpose LLMs were even worse at controlling unstable humanoids or quadrupeds.</p><p>Nevertheless, Anthropic found that general models were getting better over time. &#8220;Newer models have made real gains in direct manipulation and high-level policy control across the humanoid and quadruped embodiments we tested,&#8221; they wrote.</p><p>And once an LLM can directly do a task, it comes with a good deal of generalization capabilities. The day after Generalist announced its new model, independent robotics evaluator Robocurve <a href="https://x.com/chooi_jeq/status/2090453418460790939">found</a> that Opus 5 could also put a block in a bowl covered by a piece of paper by directly controlling a robot &#8212; though it took seven minutes, rather than seven seconds for a specialized model.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h1>Astra is impressive but not deployable</h1><p>GPT-6 Astra was released about two months after Anthropic&#8217;s report and it was substantially more capable at robotics than its predecessors.</p><p>Robocurve co-founder Jay Chooi told me that he saw a &#8220;huge jump&#8221; when Astra came out. On one task, which involved placing a block into a bowl, the success rate jumped from 5% for Fable 5 to 95% for Astra.</p><p>It wasn&#8217;t just Robocurve. The Twitter demos we saw in the intro showed that Astra could solve all manner of robotics tasks directly, including tasks that almost certainly weren&#8217;t in Astra&#8217;s training data.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><p>This has prompted speculation that general LLMs might soon become capable enough to control deployed robots on their own, without help from a smaller VLA-type model.</p><p>On September 7, MIT professor Phillip Isola released an <a href="https://web.mit.edu/phillipi/www/writing/robot-use-agents.html#fn2">essay</a> that argued that LLMs could become &#8220;robot-use agents.&#8221; In the same way that GPT and Claude have been trained to use <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/how-ai-agents-got-good-at-using-tools">tools</a> to control a computer directly, models may soon puppet robots directly. That would dramatically speed the pace and diffusion of robotics progress, Isola argued, since every upgrade of these models would improve the capabilities of many robots simultaneously.</p><p>For now, Astra is still far too slow and isn&#8217;t great at dealing with complicated hardware, like hands. But inference is getting much faster: Robocurve <a href="https://github.com/robocurve/llm-token-speed">found</a> that the maximum LLM token generation speed has been increasing by a factor two to seven times each year, so we could see VLA-type speeds from LLMs by the end of the decade.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a> And the capabilities of LLMs in this area have been improving rapidly.</p><p>Yet even if those predictions hold up, I don&#8217;t think LLMs will completely replace system one models like VLAs, at least in the medium term. It seems more likely that LLMs like Astra serve as effective orchestrators &#8212; similar in spirit to SayCan &#8212; without controlling robots directly. This is for a couple of reasons.</p><p>First, developers will almost certainly want a robotics model directly on the robot in case the Internet goes down. Astra today is far too large to run in a GPU that can fit on a robot and OpenAI doesn&#8217;t seem likely to let its weights be downloaded directly.</p><p>&#8220;I have a very strong view based on industry experience that robot brains need to run on the edge. Most manufacturing facilities have very poor internet, and same thing for most warehouses and most of the places where you want to deploy robots,&#8221; Leif Jentoft, the Head of AI Solutions at <a href="https://standardbots.com/">Standard Bots</a>, told me.</p><p>One possibility is a hybrid scenario with a big, remote model and a small model running directly on the robot. If the network connection goes down, the onboard model may be able to complete its immediate task and go into a safe position until connectivity is restored.</p><p>Second, the abilities of current LLMs still seem to complement VLAs more than replace them. Astra apparently has enough spatial capabilities to brute-force some manipulation tasks, but it seems to lack the intuitive dexterous capabilities of specialist robotics models.</p><p>For instance, while Astra was briefly the top robotics model on the RoboDojo leaderboard, its performance was barely correlated with that of specialized robotics models. Astra excelled at physically basic tasks that required semantic knowledge, but it struggled at tasks that required precise coordination or complex movements. VLAs were comparatively better at precision tasks and worse at semantic ones.</p><p>So combining Astra with a VLA can get the best of both worlds. Researchers associated with the Chinese startup Galbot <a href="https://anonymous-report-421.github.io/public-website/?lang=en&amp;view=1">found</a> that a hybrid system combining Astra with the VLA &#960;<sub>0.5</sub> performed better on RoboDojo tasks than either Astra or &#960;<sub>0.5</sub> alone.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png" width="1456" height="1092" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1092,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BSVz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3893816f-5bad-496f-a929-3f6f9b55f10a_1920x1440.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This may change in the future. We know that OpenAI is investing heavily in robotics: it is <a href="https://robotsandstartups.substack.com/p/east-bay-becoming-home-to-physical">renting</a> a 202,400-square-foot facility for robotics operations in the Bay Area and has &#8220;robotic workcells used in ongoing data acquisition operations,&#8221; according to a recent <a href="https://openai.com/careers/prototyping-lab-technician-robotics-san-francisco/">job posting</a>. Future versions of Astra might be trained on enough robotics data to be able to complete tasks that VLAs currently do.</p><p>But I won&#8217;t be surprised if we continue to see a hierarchical division of labor. After all, the brain has its separations: the prefrontal cortex plays a major role in high-level planning, while the cerebellum helps coordinate precise movements. And it would follow a precedent set by Google. The most recent <a href="https://deepmind.google/models/gemini-robotics/">Gemini Robotics release</a> included three models: two VLAs and a higher-level &#8220;embodied reasoning model&#8221; based on Gemini 3.5 Flash.</p><h1>Astra is helpful for other reasons</h1><p>It&#8217;s also possible that general LLMs don&#8217;t ever really end up controlling robots in production, at least not directly. There are other robotics paradigms, like world models, which don&#8217;t rely as heavily on text-based capabilities. Even if that happens, though, Astra might still end up helping train the next generation of robot models by creating valuable training data.</p><p>As I <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/robot-startups-are-trying-everything">covered in September</a> in Understanding AI, robotics companies are desperate for data to train effective robots.</p><p>One strategy is to collect millions of demonstrations of a human piloting a robot to complete a task. This is easy to train into a model, but it&#8217;s very expensive to collect.</p><p>In contrast, training robots in a computer simulation is much cheaper and easier to scale &#8212; provided you already have the environments. Developers can train the robot on programmatically generated trajectories in the simulation engine or let the robot train itself by <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/reinforcement-learning-explained">trial and error</a>.</p><p>However, it is still very expensive to make new simulated environments to train a robot in. Historically, simulations required substantial manual work where humans had to make assets for the simulation and specify physical properties such as the friction of each object. There have been some approaches to making assets programmatically, but it&#8217;s difficult to make a completely new environment from scratch, especially one which mirrors a real-world setting.</p><p>Astra&#8217;s uncanny ability to create 3D models might be enough to create the millions of simulated worlds necessary to train robots.</p><p>And Astra&#8217;s strong ability to solve robotics tasks &#8212; either directly as we saw above or using Python to code a robotic policy &#8212; could help create data for training VLAs. I talked with a group of researchers who released a paper called <a href="https://embodiedswe.github.io/">EmbodiedSWE</a>. They made a benchmark of difficult everyday tasks and found that coding models could write Python code that solved these tasks (VLAs struggled at this). From trajectories coded by Opus 5, they were able to fine-tune &#960;<sub>0.5</sub> to unscrew a lightbulb in a real lamp in two out of ten trials.</p><p>Waymo started as a deterministic software system. This enabled Waymo to build up the expertise and training data it needed to eventually train a model to drive the car instead. Perhaps Astra will enable future robotics projects to speed-run through this same process in other robotics domains.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This comparison is probably too generous to GPT-6 Astra, for a couple of reasons (some of which I&#8217;ll cover later). First, many of the best robotics policies from <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/19-robotics-companies-to-watch">top startups</a> aren&#8217;t available for evaluators to study &#8212; I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if e.g., <a href="https://www.pi.website/blog/pi07">&#960;<sub>0.7</sub></a> would perform better. Second, Astra&#8217;s official benchmark result was restricted to simulated environments because real-world testing stopped after it damaged some of RoboDojo&#8217;s hardware. Third, Astra&#8217;s performance has since been surpassed by specialized robotics models: it is currently seventh in the standings, though the top model is an LLM agent with access to &#960;<sub>0.5</sub>.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The software controlling robots <a href="https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/i/215051663/layers-of-a-robot-model">is</a> often <a href="https://generalrobots.substack.com/p/so-you-want-to-do-robots-part-2-what/comments">viewed</a> as having a hierarchy of response times. Planning is a high-level task which doesn&#8217;t require quick responses. Dexterity is somewhere in the middle &#8212; the ideal command rate is somewhere between one to a hundred times a second. Below that is the software that takes joint positions and turns it into actual motor commands. That software needs to be running hundreds to thousands of times a second, and is sometimes referred to as &#8220;system zero.&#8221;</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is true also of other model architectures which fulfill the same role as a VLA, like world action models. They still have a relatively small number of parameters in order to be efficient to run in real time.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Unlike RT-2 or Physical Intelligence&#8217;s models, Generalist doesn&#8217;t call its models VLAs, and mostly pre-trains the models from scratch. But there&#8217;s almost certainly text and web data alongside the hundreds of thousands of hours the company has collected of <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/robot-startups-are-trying-everything">UMI data</a>.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Though Twitter does have some selection bias. Shen, the Princeton PhD student, told me that his advisor had tried to use Astra to fold a shirt overnight, but the robot had been very slow, balled the T-shirt up instead of folding it, and moved the robot&#8217;s arms to &#8220;pathological states.&#8221; That experiment was not reported on Twitter, however.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Or even sooner. Robocurve found that the max token generation speeds of models that do as well as Fable on the Artificial Analysis benchmark was doubling every month. If that pace held up, LLMs could catch up to the current VLA pace within three to four months, Chooi said. I&#8217;m skeptical that pace can hold, though.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Let’s learn about robots together]]></title><description><![CDATA[Introducing Understanding Robots.]]></description><link>https://www.understandingrobots.org/p/lets-learn-about-robots-together</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.understandingrobots.org/p/lets-learn-about-robots-together</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Williams]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2026 17:07:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jgIB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54d368bc-9377-4738-a00f-083eb5834ea1_2834x1724.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2025, when I was doing technical AI safety research, I heard a refrain over and over. &#8220;Robotics is getting much better.&#8221; But I was never quite clear on what that meant.</p><p>We&#8217;ve all seen AI get much better, very quickly. In the past four years, LLMs have gone from the engaging curiosity that was ChatGPT to agentic systems that have reinvented entire professions and might solve some of humanity&#8217;s grand intellectual challenges. </p><p>And the whole time, people have been tracking this through benchmarks, revenue figures, and new capabilities. If you understood the scaling laws in 2020, it was almost even possible to see into the future and predict what future systems might bring.</p><p>Despite its physical nature, robotics is much harder to understand and track. As one interviewee told me, robotics is &#8220;fifteen fields in a trench coat.&#8221; To build a good robot, a company must figure out AI development, software, hardware, operations, regulatory barriers. The list goes on. </p><p>It takes a lot to understand the current state of robotics. Over the past 10 months, I&#8217;ve traveled to New York, San Francisco and even China to see robots and learn more about the industry. I&#8217;ve talked with dozens of roboticists and, alongside Timothy B. Lee, I wrote a <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/i-spent-4000-on-a-robot-dog-from">five</a> <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/why-humanoid-robots-wont-catch-up">part</a> <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/how-google-taught-llms-to-control">series</a> <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/robot-startups-are-trying-everything">on</a> <a href="https://www.understandingai.org/p/19-robotics-companies-to-watch">robotics</a> at Understanding AI in September.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jgIB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54d368bc-9377-4738-a00f-083eb5834ea1_2834x1724.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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Robotics is getting better. On Twitter every day, there&#8217;s a steady drumbeat of announcements. New companies. New fundraising. New capabilities. Over the past five years, we&#8217;ve seen the birth and explosion in humanoid robots, new types of AI models controlling robots, even new contenders in the nominally boring bits of the actuator supply chain.</p><p>But robotics also deals with the real world, and interacting with the real world is very difficult. It&#8217;s taken 15 years for self-driving cars to go from promising demos to mid-scale deployments. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the same happens for robots.</p><p>So, alongside Tim, my editor at Understanding AI, I&#8217;m starting a part-time newsletter to track robotics in a more focused space. I won&#8217;t cover every new development in robotics; nor will I necessarily write about the big story of the week. But I aim, once a week or so, to write a story about something that&#8217;s happening in the intersection of robotics, AI, and daily life, and explain why it matters in understandable language.</p><p>If that sounds interesting, please click the button below and subscribe to Understanding Robots!</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.understandingrobots.org/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>